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Wednesday 9 December 2015

Fighting immigration bans with MORE immigration bans !

BWAHAHAHAHAH !!!!

"A petition calling for Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump to be barred from entering UK has passed 100,000, meaning MPs will have to consider debating the issue.

Labour's Tulip Siddiq, MP for Hampstead and Kilburn, also called for Mr Trump to be banned from the UK after he claimed that parts of London were "so radicalised" that police were "afraid for their own lives". "I would say to him you are not welcome in our country in the same way that you want to ban people like me going into your country," Ms Siddiq told BBC Radio London."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35052505

17 comments:

  1. Signed, bringing it up to 159,664 signatures.

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  2. Why focus on solely on Trump? Why don't you ban Carson, Rubio and for his God's sake Ted Cruz while you're at it.

    Trump is just full of hot air. Those other guys are actually dangerous.

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  3. I'm not aware of the others actually calling for entire groups of people to be barred from entry.

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  4. I heard he messed up a land deal in Scotland - some golf course?
    Even then I thought "this guy isn't making a good impression of Americans."
    I'd sign if I were qualified...

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  5. Rhys Taylor I'm not defending Trump, per se, and if you want to ban him from the U.K., more power to you.

    It's just that the other candidates are worse, if that's possible: Cruz is an antiscience, climate-change-denying sociopath who wants to establish a corporatist theocratic state, Carson is just too goddamn ignorant to be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office (for God's sake, the man thinks the Great Pyramid at Giza was a grain storage facility), and as for the rest ... well. If you want to be smart about it, ban the lot of them.

    Like I said, Trump is a blowhard, but he has actually done us a huge favor by being popular, because that forced other candidates to express their own extreme views in order to try and regain some popularity among the ignorant. They hate him with a passion, because between Trump and Sanders, they haven't been allowed to slide on any of the important stuff.

    My point is that if you're just going by sound bites and not really following what's happening here, maybe you're not banning all the right people.

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  6. James Karaganis Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, not at all. It's just that in the case of Trump it's a deliciously ironic taste of his own medicine. A ban on the others is a little harder to defend because it's more arbitrary - for Trump it's simply doing unto others as they would do unto you.

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  7. Rhys Taylor Also, so far as others not pushing to deny visas to Muslims, Ted Cruz specifically and publicly supported Donald Trump on that issue.

    Interestingly, Trump is not an ideologue: he is only making these statements because he's pandering to the least common denominator among the population. As long enough of us go along with his expressed xenophobia, he'll keep jabbering about it. Cruz, on the other hand, is a religious Christian zealot: this is a great excuse to play on Christian fears and ban the competition.

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  8. Good citation. After a read I recalled the details particularly ill treatment of nearby residents, which left me mortified when initially noted.
    6,000 jobs? What were they supposed to be? Fetching balls on their knees?

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  9. At the root of it I'd say the guy has a raging case of narcissistic personality disorder. In his case I omitted "borderline" he's obviously too far over the brink for that.
    Big bullies are small persons inside.

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  10. Well, that or they're big bullies with really, really small penises.

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  11. Rhys Taylor Trump is a jerk. We can argue all day as to what his actual psychopathology might be (I suspect Gregg Taylor is pretty close to the mark) but in the end, he's less of an intrinsic threat than some of the other candidates.

    If (fates forfend) he does become President, he is the kind of person who would be capable of recognizing his own limitations and would find competent advisors. You can't run a large corporation otherwise. That's not to say he would be a good President, but he wouldn't be the worst we've ever had either. History is clear on that one.

    The same cannot be said for the others, though: I can only imagine the kind of people that Cruz would have serving on his own cabinet. Religious fanatics all (and we have more than enough of those in Congress right now, thank you very much. Can't you tell?)

    Keep in mind that we only have one candidate that is actually not pandering, who is operating in accordance with his own history, avowed ethics, and voting record. That would be Senator Sanders. The others are saying whatever it is they think will get them elected and constantly change their tune as new poll results are issued. The electorate is, it would appear, getting tired of their obvious two-facedness.

    Trump has the advantage of being consistent, at least.

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  12. Rhys Taylor​ if you are so inclined, please post a link to the MP's debate should it occur.

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  13. Gregg Taylor Will do. Reading the e-petitions website, it's not certain that a debate will occur. A government response is mandatory but there are various reasons why a debate doesn't happen, though they do say that this is rare of petitions with more than 100,000 signatures.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/help
    Not sure what the "waiting" times are, if they're saying the petition has been waiting for less than a day, or there'll be a debate date scheduled in less than a day. Probably the former, I can't believe Parliament is that efficient.
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
    197,000
    signatures and counting !

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  14. Mind you, it's scary that over 400,000 people signed this nonsense :
    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/107516

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  15. I wonder if there is a petition to ban him from the US as I'd sign that.

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  16. Rhys Taylor You are underrating American influence in other parts of the world. It is sad those who support Trump views aren't seeing that.

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