I did not expect this.
The government has said it will release information from Brexit impact studies, after Labour won a vote effectively forcing their hand. Ministers had argued that releasing the economic impact studies would undermine their Brexit negotiating position. But Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom agreed that Wednesday's vote was "binding" and told MPs: "The information will be forthcoming."
Brexit Secretary David Davis said ministers would be "as open as we can". He said he was already talking to Hilary Benn, the Labour chairman of the Committee for Exiting the European Union, about "how we handle the confidentiality of the documentation we'll hand over".
Speaker John Bercow told MPs on Wednesday that this type of motion had "traditionally been regarded as binding or effective" and made clear that the government should respond quickly to the vote.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41849030
Prediction, they secretly hope to lose control in time to be able to blame whatever follows on the suckers stuck with the ball.
ReplyDeleteAndreas Geisler That's an interesting and genuinely beautifully cynical take on the matter. :)
ReplyDeleteIt's the Cameron gambit all over again :p
ReplyDeleteRhys Taylor It's sad that the opposition has to compel the government to tell the public about the consequences of the decisions being made.
ReplyDeleteSorry; it's morning over here, and my eyes are still gummed up; Does that say "published" or "punished"?
ReplyDeleteMatter Beam Somewhat. The opposition is supposed to do that anyway, to some extent. I think it's more worrying that the government is trying to push ahead with a reckless and stupid course of action in defiance of its own evidence (for that is surely what the Brexit studies show), when the normal course of action would be to do a u-turn. Ignoring the evidence, manipulating the evidence, selectively picking out bits of the evidence... those are all normal. Not even choosing to publish the evidence at all on this scale about a decision of this magnitude, well, that's a bit different.
ReplyDeleteRhys Taylor the government keeps getting away with manipulating the truth, and to no-one's surprise they return to their habits when under pressure... the magnitude of the indiscretion is simply proportionate to the problem they're in.
ReplyDeleteProblem is, the root cause for all this is the privately owned tabloids.
ReplyDeleteI still say Brexit is for the best in the long run. Give it ten years.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus then you're a nutter.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen the state of the EU of late? It's going to get worse before it gets better...if it gets better.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus According to whom? The Daily Mail?
ReplyDeleteMEUGA?
Lots of legitimate media outlets. Some mainstream; others not. Take a look at my Reckless Politics and Mischief, Mayhem, etc collections.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus have you conducted a statistical evaluation? Or are you simply paying attention to stories that fit your expectations?
ReplyDeleteWhat are some examples?
https://plus.google.com/collection/0B20i
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Do a little scrolling. I'll admit that I post more about domestic affairs than foreign; though I do read a lot about the latter. I probably should post more.
You'll find some things here too:
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David Lazarus The UK is currently careening into full-on Kafkaesque anti-intellectual "protectionism", except they have nothing to protect, producing nothing of value that does not begin with import.
ReplyDeleteComparing to the EU, which continues to take giant strides in forcing multinationals to behave, and which is constantly renewing its commitment to sound democracy.
In what way is it even logically possible that the UK could be better off on their current trail?
I once told Rhys Taylor that the US Empire is going to fall and that the EU probably wouldn't be far behind. I was right about the former. Most USians just don't realize it yet. The latter is still yet uncertain although Germany, Spain, France the Czech Republic and others certainly seem to be in a chaotic state about now.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus What chaotic state?
ReplyDeleteYou're not making even the slightest bit of sense.
David Lazarus There's "on the ground chaos", of which there is virtually none (except perhaps in Spain) and then there's political chaos, of which there is also virtually none (except perhaps in Spain and Britain). Politically, things in the rest of Europe aren't in any more turmoil than usual. This is normal for us. Many reports seem to show, if anything at all, a strengthening of support for the EU in response to Brexit, e.g. https://www.ft.com/content/78b4ded6-51ce-11e7-bfb8-997009366969
ReplyDeleteGermany - Citizens being evicted to make room for refugees as per someone who lives there (Martin Zeitler).
ReplyDeleteSpain - Madrid considers what Catalonia did as illegal and wants to arrest Carles Puigdemont among others.
France - Refugee crisis
Czech Republic - https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/06/eu-takes-legal-action-against-czech-republic-hungary-and-poland/530241/ Andrej Babis is a billionaire without an ideology http://praguemonitor.com/2017/10/30/economist-babi%C5%A1-not-heading-anti-eu-uprising
David Lazarus I've already lost my apartment, no heating sucks - even been invited by a poor, poor Syrian "refugee" to a pizza, who also is quite aware of the ongoing scam. self-made pita and humos with onions & garlic is my current nutrition, as if I just would have made Aliyah to the so called "homeland".
ReplyDeleteRhys Taylor - Perhaps you and Andreas Geisler are right. Only time will tell. Although I've spoken to people who live in England that don't see Brexit as a huge problem.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus about to produce the next batch of pita now (they get better and better)... hence the cast iron pan is my night-time heating. without a military sleeping bag, I'd be somewhat fucked.
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David Lazarus That's just a tail-end-of-the-Gaussian effect. You can always find someone who holds a really dumb opinion on literally any subject, no matter how well-qualified they are. Take, for example :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.com/news/av/education-41837205/brexit-supporting-students-getting-abuse-on-campus
Literally "the only Brexiteer on campus". Likewise, there's a miniscule number of scientisits who support Brexit :
http://scientistsforbritain.uk/wordpress/
The existence of a few crazies does not invalidate the consensus of the the sensible.
Your idea that Brexit will be beneficial is a sensible one, if and only if the EU is doomed to collapse. For a short while at the height of the financial crisis, that did seem marginally plausible. That situation, however, is over. I see not a shred of evidence that the EU is going to break apart.
Rhys Taylor - I'm curious. What was the miraculous cure for the financial crisis?
ReplyDeleteRhys Taylor Great Britain should simply take all of their colonial citizens in (just see the map of the former/collapsing Commonwealth and compare that to the countries of origin) - while shifting the burden to continental Europe and then dragging out... it is pretty cheap trick to avoid the responsibility for the colonization.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus People who live in England are statistically relatively likely to be blithering idiots, brainwashed by 50 years of Murdoch's lies.
ReplyDeleteAndreas Geisler not much different in Germany, where even the the "Paul Klett Schulbuchverlag" is Rothschild owned... in general, too much myths and pseudo science are being marketed as the "reality", while the actual product being sold is merely an insane "religion", without morale.
ReplyDeleteI've always felt drawn to England. Perhaps it's because most of the bands that I like are from the UK. I hate what's happened to the world in general post 9/11. However, I am definitely not proud to be a USian. In fact, I prefer to consider myself a citizen of the world who happens to reside in the US.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus about the same here... not exactly my fault, that they run their fascist company on our territory; Germans, Palestinans and Native Americans share about the same destiny. it's not even about here and there anymore - but it's resident vs. inhabitant.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus Brexit is composed of exactly the same things that ought make you not proud of the US. It's exactly that kind of Jingoism, except worse: Their loyalty is for a dead empire, one they long for despite the complete immorality of its construction.
ReplyDeleteI doubt those bands you liked were made up of the kind of people who want Brexit.
Martin Zeitler please spare me the "but teh Jewes" nonsense.
ReplyDeleteThat's another common denominator for brexiteers and trumpanzees : Nazism-lite.
Andreas Geisler you are probably just as brainwashed as you say of the Britons... while pointing fingers at others is way more easy than grabbing the own nose. those being unable to realize that Mussolini, Schacht and Kalergi defined the EU, are ordinary the ones who profit from it... one does not have to agree with someone, to read their books; while even the ghostwritten Mein Krampf was sold out quickly, wonder why?
ReplyDeleteAndreas - I am not proud to be a a USian because of our constant war mongering. 9/11 was an inside job. GWB, Rumsfeld and Cheney knew it was going to happen. Rumsfeld all but blurted it out a day earlier. Then, we invaded Iraq in 2003 for no good reason. Sure, I'll give you that Saddam wasn't a great guy, but he was not a threat to the US. After that, we invaded Afghanistan killing innocent civilians to terrorists in a 30:1 ratio. Then, we attacked Libya. The list goes on.
ReplyDeleteYes, I always caution equating Zionists and Jews. They are not the same.
Why the past tense with regard to the bands? I still like them and most are still around. The list includes Yes, Genesis, Duran Duran, The Fixx, King Crimson, Asia, Pink Floyd, Simple Minds and numerous others.
Perhaps you are right about Brexit or perhaps it is a good thing being brought about for the wrong reasons. Time will tell.
David Lazarus OK, I take most of it back, and will return to my original suggestion: you're a nutter.
ReplyDeleteAndreas - Why do you say such?
ReplyDeleteWell... at least the "inside job" thing is a pretty good indicator.
ReplyDeleteAndreas - Let's put it this way... No Muslim extremists were involved in the planning or execution of the events on 9/11. I have done some posts that make it pretty clear. I'll post the links shortly.
ReplyDeleteDavid Lazarus right. And they weren't Saudis either, right?
ReplyDeleteAndreas Geisler just go and watch TV, believe whatever they want you to believe... while even the most stupid hooligans realize, that their words and actions do not match the least.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/k-m6RuN-DvM
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ReplyDeleteMartin Zeitler You got one thing right: You share the beliefs of the most stupid hooligans.
ReplyDeleteGo figure...
Andreas - Here are some links for you to peruse.
ReplyDeletehttps://plus.google.com/+DavidLazarus/posts/2eysSzzSwjW
https://plus.google.com/+DavidLazarus/posts/JnH7zz7SzkN
https://plus.google.com/+DavidLazarus/posts/8pGgneKt1Yf
https://plus.google.com/+SacredGeometryDecoded/posts/2dncg9QzKfB
https://plus.google.com/+SacredGeometryDecoded/posts/hGckJzknG4G
https://plus.google.com/+SacredGeometryDecoded/posts/ckt3pCeU5hk
I did numerous other posts 9/11 over the years, but I have learned some interesting facts in more recent times. Be sure to read the comments. I've also provided links to some of SGD's posts on the topic. He put together an amazing real time video of the events in NYC. It's a lot to take in, but well worth the time investment if you are interested in knowing the truth about 9/11. Or at least something much closer to the truth than that provided by NIST, the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media. This is a lot of information. So, please take your time.